Livingston’s attempts to be cheeky, fall flat in matchday programme

courtesy of @awaydays_

Karma may have reared its glorious head again as Rangers defeated Livingston on Saturday due to a glorious goal from Lewis MacLeod.

The rancorous mood at the City Stadium wasn’t helped by tired & inflammatory comments that were included in the matchday programme.

Rangers Report has reached out to Livingston to comment on the publication of the contradictory & snarky commentary which appears, based on Andrew Dickson’s Twitter account,  to have been written by someone who was outsourced by the club to write the team report.

courtesy of @Iansmch
courtesy of @Iansmch

 

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75 thoughts on “Livingston’s attempts to be cheeky, fall flat in matchday programme

  1. Really think that everyone should now just say that new and old gers are the exact same club from now on, and that there should be laws against telling the truth about new gers.
    That way the new gers fans will brainwash everyone into believing a myth.

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      1. UEFA have never said old gers and new gers are the same club, and you and I know they never will. In fact they state in their rules that a club and its business are a single entity, and one can’t be indistinguishable from the other, as does Scots Law.
        The wee red book???!!! Are you taking the piss?Some guy who writes a wee book and gives his opinion?!!!Get real!!!!
        The ASA?!!! Are you having a laugh? What does the Advertising Standards Agency know about insolvency?Hahaha!!
        The SFA will never say that either as they know they would suffer severe sanctions from UEFA for taking that stance.
        The SPFL under Neil Doncaster tried to get a brand new club in new gers straight into the top league 2 years ago,, even though they had never played a game or published a set of accounts!!! Nothing he would put on his associations website surprises me.

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        1. Er actualY yes UEFA have said they are the same club. So again your gibbering.
          Rangers current SC squad..on the so called old Rangers page.
          http://www.uefa.com/teamsandplayers/teams/club=50121/library/domesticinclude/idcup=5027/_squadlist.html
          “It represents the Hoops’ 44th league crown, leaving them ten behind rivals Rangers FC, who were absent from the top flight for the first time this season.”
          http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/association=sco/news/newsid=1943008.html
          ASA? your joking arn’t you?? It was YOUR obsessed fans who went crying to them..and what did UEFA say to them they who have made no comment on Rangers status??
          “We consulted with UEFA, which explained that its rules allowed for the recognition of the “sporting continuity” of a” club’s match record, even if that club’s corporate structure had changed. ”
          http://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjudications/2013/12/The-Rangers-Football-Club-Ltd/SHP_ADJ_224406.aspx#.VDGsbxbE4Sk
          Neil Doncaster??
          “http://tiny.cc/xn6kqw – SPL CEO Neil Doncaster: “It is an existing club, even though it’s a new company” 1 minute in.
          SFA? They aint said anything?? Er..yes..they have.
          As soon as original membership was transferred while still in administration Greens group was decalred by the SFA to be the new OWNERS of Rangers Football Club,the SPFL operate under the SFA,do i need to post you the SPFL view again?
          http://spfl.co.uk/clubs/rangers/
          And its the SFA who inform UEFA of its member clubs status you dork. Honestly,give up..go support your 20 year old company who lost today again,your an embarrassent. Btw its hilarious your gibbering on about someone at the Wee Red Book (whu gets their info from the SFA) having no say when your obsessing on a story about some faceless no mark volunteer “writer” in a Livingston programme. As i said,your an embarrassment. Go get a life.

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          1. What the insolvency experts,scots law, uefa and fifa should now add when asked, in order to keep you happy, is the following…” Every club who were liquidated past, present and future no longer exists…well, apart from the gers, who only had a ‘holding thingy’ liquidated. They are a totally different organisation where the same rules don’t apply to them. However, if any other incorporated football clubs end up liquidated like the gers they will have to face the fact that they are no more….only the gers will continue on as before…”
            Maybe thats the way forward…..

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            1. Lol if you can’t handle facts Charlie don’t come on Rangers pages obsessing. It’s not our fault your whole life seems to have lost meaning because a football club survived. Other clubs have had their holding companies wound up (shall i list them for you again?)and survived intact,and so has Rangers.Deal with it you’ll sleep better nights. I forgot to mention btw even HMRC themselves admitted it.
              ” Moreover the liquidation route does not prejudice the proposed sale of the club. This sale can take place either through a CVA or a liquidation.”
              http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/news/rangers.htm
              As did the liquidators themselves.
              “”It’s important to understand that the appointment of liquidators will not mean the end of football at Ibrox – only the end of the company that ran the club,” said Cohen. ”
              http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18426943
              As I said,stop putting yourself through agony,concentrate on your own 20 year old company (I say company because it’s obvious you support companies unlike us Gers who support a 142 year old CLUB.
              117 and counting. Deal with it.
              http://spfl.co.uk/clubs/rangers/

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              1. If you actually read what HMRC said, they never said sevco gers would be the same as old gers.They said football would continue at Ibrox .They were correct that Chuckles bought the assets.They state Rangers (not the holding company) can make a fresh start…but I thought, according to you, that you were over 140 years old?
                You and I both know they will NEVER say its the same gers!
                I have to hand it to you, your trying your best, the holding company thingy only died…HAHAHA!!!…wait till you grow up and develop your own thoughts into being brainwashed by what you want desperately to believe,,,
                I dont know how far you go back, but Celtic were never in administration or liquidated!!!
                Did you not know that?
                You have still to reply to the fact that when old gers were incorporated in 1899 through a share issue, their total football operations became a single entity, everything was indivisible from the other, which means unable to be divided or seperated.
                That is the law.
                Are you of the opinion that this shouldnt apply to gers simply because you don’t like it, cant accept the law of the land, and anyone who mentions the hard facts will be called obssessed, an embarrassment, told to get a life,a joke, irrelevant, desperate, haters etc….
                What did you think of Hearts and Dunfermline fans celebrating their CVAs being successful, as they joyously told us that their clubs were saved, as was their history?

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  2. Not good enough for Livingston officials to claim they didn`t know , does this mean they don`t read their own programme,sorry , don`t believe it .Its amazing how these wee clubs want to take our fans money and then badmouth us.As for you Charlie ……everyone knows the real story , no-one is biting ,go away.

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    1. William, where were new gers badmouthed?
      By your logic, telling the truth is badmouthing?
      You can go online and ask questions by e-mail to insolvency experts, who will reply to you.
      If you can find ONE, just ONE, insolvency expert who thinks that new gers are the exact same club as old gers then I will happily apologise to you.
      However, you and me both know very well that not one insolvency expert will agree with you.
      I’m sorry, but to keep asking people to believe in your myth is insulting to the intelligence.

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      1. Charlie are you obsessed? Why are you reading a website of a er..”new” club? And btw your talking garbage,insolvency laws don’t govern football,the football gobverning bodies govern football,and they all say Gers are the same club. But hey if you want one insolvency expert no worries. How about Neil Patey?
        “Neil Patey: Partner at E&Y (finance guy used extensively by the media during the admin process)

        “My view is that it is like many other business acquisitions where the assets, people, trade and trading names are “acquired” by another entity. It is a new legal entity, but essentially the old business continues. So it is right to say that it is a newco in legal terms, but the “club” is a continuation of the old one. Then it is up to football authorities if they confer membership and titles that “belonged” to oldco, which they obviously appear to have done.”
        I suggest you go concentrate on Pacific Shelf 1994,after your result today you really should be more concerned about your 20 year old club (using your logic).
        117 and counting (according to the official SPFL website.)
        http://spfl.co.uk/clubs/rangers/

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        1. Your link never showed anything from UEFA to show that the new gers, or sevco gers, whatever you prefer, insist that new gers are the exact same club as old gers.They never will, in fact, they are totally opposed to debt dumping and restarting again.
          You are a bore, Lisa.
          You have a go at people for stating the truth as obsessed, simply because you don’t like the truth in this instance. You have only had a pop in this blog at anyone who states the truth, you haven’t slagged anyone who has the same opinion as yourself. Its you who ought to get a life. To peddle the myth that old gers and new gers are the exact same is embarrassing. Its Jackanory stuff. You would do well for the North Korean government.
          When you grow up you will realise how insolvency works, or maybe you know how it does, but the same rules just don’t apply to new gers!!
          Your founding father Chucklesa Green admitted originally that you were a new club!!!
          Ditto your former spin doctor James Traynor!!!
          And your former chairman Watty Smith!!!
          Mark Hately, a player with old gers admitted it as well!!
          As did the Gorams!!!
          Gordon Smith, a former player and board member of old gers admitted it too.
          Ditto the players like Naismith, Whittaker,Mcgregor, who walked away when old gers were put into liquidation.
          If new gers are the same club as old gers, could you explain why they entered the Scottish Cup and League Cup at the first round stage in 2012, as, if they were the same club, and had therefore finished the season in 2nd place in the top division, they automatically should have entered at a later stage?
          Also, the membership was transferred from old gers to new gers…tell me how its possible to transfer something from yourself to yourself?
          Finally, old gers were incorporated in 1899, via a share issue. They were run by committee before then.When you become incorporated the business and club are indistinguishable from each other.Thats the law!!!!
          Or should the law not apply to the new sevco gers simply because you don’t like it, and you go into a wee strop by calling everyone obsessed as a defence mechanism???!!!!
          Anyway, the truth really does hurt Lisa.
          You just dont hide it well enough.

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          1. Charlie oh obsessed one,there you go again,waffling on about ex players and insolvency laws. YOU are the bore and I question again why you spend so much time on another clubs pages. A bore and an obsessed one at that. Ex players I’m afraid are not an authority on football laws,i’ll leave that to bodies such as UEFA (who have declared Rangers the same club as I just proved,hardly my fault you adopt the same attitude you did to the ASA verdict when you lost that case,i.e. pretend you don’t see it.
            I refer you to the SFA ..if this is ruining your life take it up with them.

            “Agreement on transfer of membership.
            Friday, 27 July 2012

            Joint statement on behalf of The Scottish FA, The Scottish Premier League, The Scottish Football League and Sevco Scotland Ltd.

            We are pleased to confirm that agreement has been reached on all outstanding points relating to the transfer of the Scottish FA membership between Rangers FC (In Administration), and Sevco Scotland Ltd, who will be the new owners of The Rangers Football Club.
            There were a number of complex and challenging issues involved but, primarily, the Scottish FA had to be satisfied that the new owners of Rangers would operate in the best interests of the club, its fans and Scottish football in general.”
            THE NEW OWNERS OF RANGERS FOOTBALL CLUB……is that clear enough for your bitter obsessed eyes Charlie? And while in administration (between Rangers FC (In Administration), hence no break in timeline. SFA then inform other relevant bodies such as UEFA and the ECA.
            “Last August, Michele Centenaro of the ECA contacted the SFA and asked for an appraisal of the Rangers situation and whether they could be deemed the same Rangers as before or a new company unworthy of acknowledgment from the ECA. The SFA’s response was unambiguous. Different corporate entity but same Rangers, same history, same honours accrued over 140 years.”
            http://www.scotsman.com/news/tom-english-green-would-rather-create-the-myth-of-rangers-being-persecuted-than-admit-that-the-sfa-backed-them-1-2734842
            So don’t come on here waffling about Whittaker or Naysmith (no idea why you mentioned Hately he works for Gers,was at the 140 year celebration and has always stated Rangers to be the same club,either your fibbing or telling porkies in desperation,i suspect the latter)you will pardon me if I don’t take the word of such MENSA category professors of football law knowledge eh.
            “The SPFL board believes that, since Lord Nimmo Smith ruled, at a hearing last February, that the current club was a continuation of the same entity which went into liquidation in October 2012 when finding them guilty of not disclosing payments to their players, Rangers should face the heavier sanction.”
            http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl-lower-divisions/rangers-administration-25-point-penalty-threat-1-3281694
            Btw I’m still waiting on you posting this official link stating Rangers FC Founded 2012 Club Honours 2. You having trouble locating it oh obsessed one? Don’t waste our time quoting irrelevant nonsense from the likes of Steven Naismith …post us an official link. Until you do your simply another obsessed Pacific Shelf 1994 fan,completely wrapped up in all things Rangers,and your comments are irrelevant nonsense.
            http://spfl.co.uk/clubs/rangers/

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            1. Agreement on transfer of membership.
              Friday, 27 July 2012

              Joint statement on behalf of The Scottish FA, The Scottish Premier League, The Scottish Football League and Sevco Scotland Ltd.

              We are pleased to confirm that agreement has been reached on all outstanding points relating to the transfer of the Scottish FA membership between Rangers FC (In Administration), and Sevco Scotland Ltd, who will be the new owners of The Rangers Football Club. There were a number of complex and challenging issues involved but, primarily, the Scottish FA had to be satisfied that the new owners of Rangers would operate in the best interests of the club, its fans and Scottish football in general.”
              THE NEW OWNERS OF RANGERS FOOTBALL CLUB. So you who states the SFA have never commented on Rangers status again shown to be waffling desperate drivel. We do check up you know,simply posting falsehoods in the desperate hope we take them as fact simply won’t work.
              Don’t bother posting any more of your obsessed and irrelevant tripe from ex players or what have you,it’s laughable and shows how desperate you are (and proves btw why you also lost the Wiki debate). Unless you can post a link to the governing body stating RANGERS FC founded 2012 honours 2 don’t waste our time. This page is for fans of Scotlands most successful club (ASA approved after consultation with UEFA and the SFA cheers for crying to them bhoys)it’s not for obsessed HMS 402 fans who hate Rangers more than they love their own company er club.
              117 and counting.
              http://spfl.co.uk/clubs/rangers/

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            2. What is not recalled so often is that LNS went on:

              “This is not to say that a Club has legal personality, separate from and additional to the legal personality of its owner and operator. We are satisfied that it does not, and Mr McKenzie did not seek to argue otherwise. So a Club cannot, lacking legal personality, enter into a contract by itself.”

              As we all know, UEFA define clubs as, “legal entities,” so while “Rangers FC” was a football club for the purposes of the SPL investigation, it is not a football club as defined by UEFA.

              Which means he thinks the club and the company are a single entity…..I wonder why you never quoted that, Lisa….

              You refer to the 5 way agreement..rules were re-written to include new gers in the league as, under previous rules, a new team admitted into the senior leagues must have 3 years accounts and apply for a new membership…a shocking indictment of Scottish football where the interests of one club was put above the rest, and proof the same rules didnt apply to new gers
              After the ‘armageddon’ nonsense from regan and doncaster and the pressure they put on other clubs chairmen, along with the spin of Chuckles who was saying anything at the time to sell season tickets to the gullible, the prepared statement, agreed with Chuckles, doesn’t surprise me.
              Hately and the Gorums had columns in the papers the following day after old gers died, both discussing the death of the club, as did Gordon Smith….not the company, but the club,
              David Murray in interviews several months ago again attacked wee Craigy for killing the club, not the club….not the company.

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        2. Neil Patey, the guy who continually told us that HMRC would accept a CVA, even though it was in HMRC rules that they had an across the board policy that they didn’t do them!!!
          Neil Patey is not an insolvency expert, he works for ernst and young, you dimwit!!!

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    1. That’s the message Will, hopefully it’ll be remembered next time by an absence of fans. DON’T BOYCOTT OUR HOME GAMES. None will get my MONEY and lets remember never to forget.

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          1. Lisa, to quote Graham Spiers a few months back…”I asked several insolvency experts about the new club/old club debate. Every one came back with the same response, that to regard new gers as the same club was absurd”…Your founding father Chuckles Green was quite matter of fact when he first arrived…no CVA meant the club died, all the history was gone. He then changed his tune about the same time as he was extolling the virtue of the Dallas Cowboys link, 500 million fans, Man Utd desperate for new gers to join the EPL, Barcalona and Real Madrid desperate for new gers to join la liga, 30 million for allys warchest.
            No obsession with me, Lisa, just pointing out facts, and as you and me know, thats all ive done
            PS FIFA confirmed 2 years ago thar old gers died
            Under the headline of Rangers go under Fifa state: Rangers’ perilous financial position had been an open secret but there was still shock when, after 140 years of history and a world record 54 league titles, the club was consigned to liquidation in mid-June.

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            1. Under the headline of Rangers go under Fifa state: Rangers’ perilous financial position had been an open secret but there was still shock when, after 140 years of history and a world record 54 league titles, the club was consigned to liquidation in mid-June.
              The FIFA statement is quite clear….the club…not the holding company thingy….was liquidated.
              When your founding father and new gallant pioneer Chuckles Greens CVA was kicked into touch by Lizzie Windsor, via her revenue and customers branch, he started again. At first your new wee club were known as sevco 5088, then you dropped the numbers and became sevco scotland, before settling for the current name you have today.
              Why cant you accept the truth?

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  3. Attempts to be cheeky ?? The only thing Livvy printed was the ABSOLUTE TRUTH- then again Fans of “so-called rangers” are not too keen on hearing the truth. Let`s all pretend Liquidation never happened eh !

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    1. Middlesbrough (company wound up)Coventry(company wound up)Leeds(no CVA) and other similar clubs all recognised by the football authorities as the same clubs and Rangers are no different,which is why all the football authorities and other relevant bodies all say Rangers are the same club. Does it bother you Doc,does it keep you awake at night knowing the official SPFL website states Rangers FC Founded 1872 Club Honours 117 (it does btw why not see for yourself http://spfl.co.uk/clubs/rangers/) end of the day you can procrastinate on comment sections all day and everyday about this er “new” club,but it changes nothing. When we log onto the above website it will say we are the same club,as will UEFA,the SFA,ASA,ECA,etc..even the Wee Red Book lol…give up,it’s truly embarrassing to watch such desperation.

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      1. Okay Lisa…please read this slowly, 2 or 3 times. then hopefully it may sink in…NONE OF THE ABOVE TEAMS WERE LIQUIDATED….its just 7 words…

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      2. Why do you keep stating UEFA?
        They state clearly from their rules that sevco gers are a new club!!!
        What have you been smoking?
        Did you know who told the ECA, who are just an association for clubs and have no rules on the legal status of clubs, that you were a 140 odd year old club? Step forward Chuckles Green, your founding father and modern day gallant pioneer, along with imran and ravat.
        It was about the same time as he linked up with Dallas Cowboys……

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        1. Lol will u stop lying Charlie it does your ridiculous “argument” no favours and only destroys your tired and well lost case even more. UEFA have clearly stated Rangers are the same club as i have shown numerous times,it’s not our fault your so obsessed and bitter you can’t bring yourself to see it. What are you going to do next season when UEFA report Rangers as normal and then you have no “argument” to make? And why are you so obsessed about Rangers? You have spent 2 days on the page of another club posting irrelevant twaddle that no Gers fan will take any notice off,how sad are you? And do you thik it will magically change this official website? Newsflas,the governing bodies don’t pay attention to you Charlie and if they did they would think your a joke as well. Go try getting a life instead of pretending to be a fan of the 20 year old Pacific Shelf when in reality your just a Rangers hater.
          117 and counting.
          http://spfl.co.uk/clubs/rangers/

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          1. You are either not too bright, or wearing blinkers….I will put it in capitals for you….UEFA HAVE A POLICY OF BEING AGAINST CLUBS RE-STARTING AFTER DUMPING OF DEBT AS IF NOTHING HAPPENED….THEIR RULES AND REGULATIONS STATE THIS QUITE CLEARLY, SO CLEARLY THAT IM HOPING YOU MIGHT EVEN GRASP IT, THAT A CLUB AND THEIR CORPORATE ORGANISATION ARE REGARDED AS A SINGLE ENTITY.ONE IS INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM THE OTHER.SO THEY WILL ALWAYS REGARD THIS NEW GERS AS A NEW CLUB.WHAT IS SO HARD TO GRASP ABOUT THAT?
            You really are backward…because I keep stating facts, rather than believing a fairy story, im a gers hater!!!
            I dont hate anyone or anything, and never have.
            What does 117 mean?

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  4. what else should we except are livi the same club who were demoted dont notice 595 or anyone else asking if they same club now who cares about them still happy to survive on the backs of our fans filling their stands. as for 595 we are coming for you

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    1. “Demoted” is one of the major differences between the two clubs.

      Livi was *demoted* for “breach of rules on insolvency” but was *not* liquidated, ie continued as the same club.
      Rangers (1872) was liquidated , *not demoted*, and ceased to exist as a football club. Hence the new Ibrox club having to beg to be let into the bottom tier of Scottish football and not just carrying on from where old Rangers left off. “Same clubs” don’t have to ask for their memberships to be transferred from themselves to themselves.

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  5. Charlie , I never asked you to apologise , I asked you to go away .You are entitled to your opinions ,but personally I find it boring,,,,,so go back to your own websites and spout your garbage .I do apologise if I insulted your intelligence ……..I would not thought that it was possible to do so .Here`s one for your huge brain to consider, the irony of how what has happened to Rangers has had a detrimental effect on your own club , crowds down , interest down , standards of player and manager down.I would be more worried about that if I was you.

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    1. Celtic in the black (11.5M) for the first time since 1994 means they have never been in a healthier state…ive heard the constant stories about Celtics crowds being down in the league because there isnt a rangers in the same competition (the league) to challenge them..what you dont hear is that Celtic played Aberdeen in the scottish cup in front of only 30,000 at Celtic Park last season, a competition that new gers were involved in, yet the attendance was poor…the same with hearts a couple of weeks ago in the league cup. New gers are in the competition, yet Celtic Park only had 15,000 spectators, a poor turn out …..new gers havent been in the same champions league competion as Celtic, but Celtic Park was sold out for these games the last two years.
      The attendances at Celtic have been going down gradually for years and years each season because of the diminishing quality of player, the buying of unknown quality youngsters, developing them and selling them on for multi millions has been going on for several years, but it has seen a gradual drop off of attendances year on year because of the lack of the star signings, so fans started to turn away….this process began well before old gers were liquidated…The lack of a rangers in the same league as Celtic being the blame for Celtics falling attendances is a myth

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  6. I had a cat once. I loved it. One day the cat fell into the blender and died. I replaced it with an identical cat. Yea it plays with the same toys and craps in the same litter box but it just isnt the same cat you know

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  7. Lisa i think you now get obsessed Charlie to keep on your mantlepiece,it was a pleasure reading you destroying him. The jealousy of being second best behind Scotland’s most successful club is eating them alive. And it’s great to watch. They just got horsed by Accies,the Emtihad is half emty and they have to cover half the stadium in big sheets on European nights and here they are all obsessing about Rangers. A joke of a club and a joke of a “support” as Adrian Durham rightly said.

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    1. Haha Alex…..Lisa hasnt once replied, despite me prompting her, regarding Scots Law and what an Incorporated club actually defines…..she cant wriggle out it…. I got a laugh at her telling porkies about UEFA and FIFA stating new gers are the same as old gers…I think she knows that the rules of association put in place with those organisation are pretty clear… a single entity indivisable from the sum of its parts….even funnier was her assertion that Neil Patey was anInsolvency expert….i would imagine Neil would be amazed to find that out……but, to be fair, if its in the Evening Times’s wee red book…..HHAHAHA!!!

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      1. Porkies about UEFA and FIFA? Charlie what medication are you on that prevents you from seeing official UEFA and FIFA links that i have posted numerous times? Is this what you did when you all did not see the ASA verdict when you lost that case as well? Your a joke Charlie,and like Alex your to be pitied.
        Here is the most important link of all..you can pretend you cant see this one either eh 😉
        http://spfl.co.uk/clubs/rangers/

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        1. So you are telling me that you are more in touch with insolvency law than insolvency experts…they are all wrong, every one of them, but Lisa is correct….HAHAHAHA!!! Stupid stupid lawyers!!!!THEY KNOW NOTHING!!!! Listen to Lisa!!!!!HAHAHA!!!
          Scots Law regarding incorporation is wrong….Lisa will get the law changed (well for rangers only!!!)
          Next you will be telling me that old gers werent incorporated in 1899, thereby making the club a single entity….IT MUST HAVE BEEN THOUGHT UP BY RANGERS HATERS!!!!HAHAHA!!!
          Do you do stand up? Keep the laughs coming and I can see you doing warm up for Frankie Boyle soon!!!!
          You can call yourself Loopy Lisa….you certainly sound it….

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    2. Thats fair put me on a downer, Alex, with hugely important people in the game like Adrian Durham and the cricketer guy Gough stating that…one nil to you, Alex, mate, I cant compete with those 2 heavyweights of the game saying that….funny thing is, Davy Murray has said numerous times that they old gers couldnt have brought in the players he did without the use of EBTs!!! He admitted that!!!! If the guy who owned you, who signed the cheques for the players and instigated and overseen the use of EBTs is saying that….admitting that EBTs gave him a huge advantage in signing better players, then it makes the ruling seem farcical….it will be appealed eventually after the queen wins her case via her revenue and customs branch re EBTs…she just isnt backing down(why does she hate gers so much?)….it isnt over yet, Alex….maybe the rangers defence team in the case referred to above when it eventually goes to appeal may get the cricket guy and the jockey from talksport to speak in their defence?

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  8. Hey Charlie quit whining on about HMRC finishing off Rangers,would you like to know what they actually said and not what Kerryfail told you.
    “Moreover the liquidation route does not prejudice the proposed sale of the club. This sale can take place either through a CVA or a liquidation.”
    Your boring Charlie and spout either total falsehoods or else irrelevant twaddle. People like you actually have my pity,your entire lives are taken up over the status of a FOOTBALL CLUB..read that again and see how pathetic that is..A FOOTBALL CLUB….guess what,you’ll need to deal with it,trust me you’ll encounter far more serious problems in life when you leave high school
    Founded 1872 world record 117 major honours listed.
    http://spfl.co.uk/clubs/rangers/

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    1. Sorry Alex, its Insolvency Law and Scots Law for any sensible person anytime…please re-read the full HMRC statement again, I think Her Majesty The Queen was especially hard on your old club, like she had an axe to grind, but when she decided to put the old club out its misery, the word liquidation arose. It means the end, and as old gers were incorporated, there was no wriggle room with the old club/company fable.
      HMRC are a tax division…they have no legal input on the status of insolvency law….good try though, Alex

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      1. Alex this guy is mentally ill honesly. He ignores all posts and official links and instead waffles on about irrelevant insolvency laws and utter tripe. Put it this way Charlie,you carry on living in your wee fantasy bubble if it comforts you,end of the day it matters not a jot,we Rangers fans have been told by UEFA,SFA,SPFL,SFL,ASA,ECA,LNS.LG etc etc that we are the same club we’ll take that ver your bitter and desperate rantings ok.
        Founded 1872 all honours listed the official SPFL website,game set and match to Lisa.
        http://spfl.co.uk/clubs/rangers/

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        1. irrelevant insolvency laws and utter tripe. HAHAHA!!! Loopy Lisa at her best….Irrelevant insolvency laws indeed…hahaha,,,,INSOLVENCY LAWS SHOULDNT COME INTO IT FOR RANGERS, ACCORDING TO LOOPY!!!HAHAHA!!!…you should write gags…you could be the new Joan Rivers!!!

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  9. UEFA ain’t commented on Rangers status either Charlie. LOL…honestly,your either a bot or your losing your mind in rage that Rangers have survived this.
    here’s a link to your so called “old” Rangers UEFA page. Oh look if I click on the link to Scottish Cup..hey weird,Jon Daly,Biliel Moshni,Ian Black etc etc all played for this “old” Rangers! Can’t say I remember that and iv’e been a ST holder for 30 years.
    http://www.uefa.com/teamsandplayers/teams/club=50121/domestic/
    And please,don’t embarrass yourself by rabbiting on “but but last match was St Johnstone,pyoor deed…n’that”.
    UEFA don’t record lower league matches. Dunfermline for example according to UEFA played their last match in 2012 better tell their fans they died as well. And Raith last played in Feb 2013.
    “It represents the Hoops’ 44th league crown, leaving them ten behind rivals Rangers FC, who were absent from the top flight for the first time this season.” Huh..wait a sec how can Pacific Shelf 1994 be ten behind Rangers FC Rangers pyoor died..n’that. Not according to UEFA they didn’t. And they take precedent over obsessed Charlie I hazard to suggest.
    http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/association=sco/news/newsid=1943008.html
    If you want UEFA’s actual view on a club going newco and not Kerryfail here it is. And it will enlighten you as to why UEFA deem Rangers to be the same club.
    http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/703757749.jpg?key=645413&amp%3BExpires=1359775545&amp%3BKey-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&amp%3BSignature=xl9~N-MaWp7Yy~vm-n7NR0mWsr5c5tZnQefeQYdtm06TxRimSp1AuySF8CiRU4n4NRlwhxzNqVrFmWzKdpVjvBeh-6dd2TG565xk6Ou2eKwdANbc-fR67NNUiZwISZsOjLJgOU8XF97WuY8nUbCmvIUxnormgJMqMsze8K~Adhs_
    “The creation of a newco would would fall within the scope of the article 12 in that it would constitute a change to the clubs legal form or company structurewhich is deemed as an interruption of membership resulting in the club not being able to apply for a UEFA license.” Nothing to do with a new club quit reading Kerryfail. Once Rangers are back in the top league UEFA will then report on Rangers as normal. What will you do then Charlie..say Steven Whittaker’s views take precedent over UEFA’s. Your a joke Charlie and I genuinely feel sorry for you. Now you’ll excuse me I have a few RANGERS stories to read online. (My club).

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  10. The uefa rules are clear, a single entity which is indivisable from the sum of its parts…unfortunately for fans like yourself, UEFA wont re-write the rules to suit one particular team regarding that rule….the same with Scots Laws ruling regarding incorporation…..unfortunately its game, set and match to me, Lisa

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    1. Charlie you just dont give up do you,are you mentally ill? Look you go on convincing yourself,UEFA have made it clear that Rangers are the same club,it’s a sign of your desperation that you ignore the UEFA rule,from UEFA,that clearly states a newco is not a new club. And btw still waiting on your official link. Having probs?

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        What To Say When They Claim It’s the Same Club
        “The club and company are separate.”

        No, they are not.

        When a club, any club, incorporates, it becomes a company. There is no club any more. It may still be referred to as, “the club,” but it is now a company, indistinguishable in Scots law from its corporate identity.

        “But Lord Nimmo Smith said Rangers FC continues to exist.”

        Not really.

        LNS’ Reasons for Decision dated 12th September 2012, had a specific purpose. He was clarifying the definition of “football club,” for the purposes of the SPL investigation into Rangers’ use of dual contracts. LNS effectively explained why Sevco Scotland had an interest in the proceedings and a right to representation.

        What LNS was not doing, was ruling whether or not in Scots law Rangers FC (1872) still existed.

        Everyone remembers LNS stated:

        “In common speech a Club is treated as a recognisable entity which is capable of being owned and operated, and which continues in existence despite its transfer to another owner and operator. In legal terms, it appears to us to be no different from any other undertaking which is capable of being carried on, bought and sold.”

        What is not recalled so often is that LNS went on:

        “This is not to say that a Club has legal personality, separate from and additional to the legal personality of its owner and operator. We are satisfied that it does not, and Mr McKenzie did not seek to argue otherwise. So a Club cannot, lacking legal personality, enter into a contract by itself.”

        As we all know, UEFA define clubs as, “legal entities,” so while “Rangers FC” was a football club for the purposes of the SPL investigation, it is not a football club as defined by UEFA.

        “Rangers’ membership of the SFA was transferred to newco. It’s not a new membership, so we’re still the same club.”

        No.

        Rangers FC was founded in 1872, the year before the SFA was formed. Rangers FC was a football club before the SFA existed, therefore membership of the SFA does not make Rangers FC a football club. Nor does it make them the same club as previously held the membership.

        Also, as far as can be ascertained, SFA member clubs are not issued with membership numbers. How then can we be sure that Rangers (2012) even do hold the same membership as the old club?

        And how about this – when Rangers played Brechin in August last year, they did so on a, “conditional membership” of the SFA, while the old club still held their membership!

        So there was a point in time in August last year when there were simultaneously TWO legal entities with SFA memberships, calling themselves “Rangers.”

        In fact, the Rangers that played Brechin in August had not been allowed by the SFA to play in any pre-season friendly matches because they did not hold a membership, while a different “Rangers” was a member.

        So how can the current Rangers possibly be the same club as the one founded in 1872, when they were simultaneously members of the SFA?

        “The SFA, UEFA, ECA, ASA all recognise us as the same club.”

        This one is a real mess and as usual, the responsibility lies with the SFA.

        The SFA has in fact never stated that Rangers (1872) continues. Through a mixture of cowardice, pragmatism and reluctance, the SFA has officially stated precisely nothing publicly with regards to the new club/same club issue.

        What the SFA has done, through inaction, is allow the same club myth to grow.

        UEFA likewise, have stated nothing publicly with regards to the new club/same club issue. An indication of how UEFA are likely to regard the club currently playing at Ibrox is their treatment of Derry City.

        Derry City entered liquidation in 2009, and a new club was formed from the ashes. In 2012, the new Derry City qualified for the Europa League, but was refused a place by UEFA, on the grounds that they had not been members of the FAI for three consecutive years.

        This year, Derry City have again qualified for the preliminary rounds of the Europa League, but have not been credited with the coefficient points of the old club, despite their still appearing on the coefficient table.

        It seems clear that while UEFA will state nothing publicly about Rangers, UEFA will apply Article 12 of the FFP regulations if and when they qualify for Europe.

        The European Club Association’s position as regards Rangers was informed by the SFA. The ECA were told by the SFA that Rangers had been demoted to the Third Division, which is quite clearly inaccurate.

        On the basis of inaccurate information supplied by the SFA, the ECA then voted Rangers Football Club plc out of their organisation, and voted The Rangers Football Club Ltd in, as an associate member.

        Whatever the ECA’s position on Rangers, they are not a football governing body.

        The Advertising Standards Association recently decided it was allowable for Rangers to claim to be, “Scotland’s most successful football club.”

        It turns out though that their investigation was less than thorough, amounting to asking Rangers if they were in fact the same club. On receiving a, “yes,” the ASA decided that the case was closed.
        However, the ruling is now the subject of an appeal and one would hope a proper investigation is made this time.

        Again though, the ASA is not a football governing body.

        “Sevco Scotland bought the club from Duff & Phelps.”
        I’m afraid not.

        In every document they issued as administrators of Rangers, Duff & Phelps routinely defined Rangers as “’the company’ and ‘the club.’”

        Nowhere in the asset purchase is “Rangers FC” or “the club” listed as amongst the assets sold to Sevco Scotland, or Sevco 5088.

        Duff & Phelps sold Ibrox Stadium, Murray Park, the lease on the Albion carpark and Rangers’ trademarks to Sevco Scotland.

        Sevco Scotland did not purchase as single share in The Rangers Football Club plc, the entity formed in 1872 and incorporated in 1899.

        “Ah, but Sevco Scotland bought Rangers’ history along with the assets.”

        We are now into the realms of comedy.

        History simply cannot be bought.

        “A football club is the stadium, players and fans. It’s still a club called ‘Rangers’ playing in the same stadium, same strips and in front of the same fans.”

        Can we refer to this as “the Kit-Kat theory?”

        This is a sentimental, almost romantic view of the meaning of “football club.” Let’s think though – did Southampton become a new club when they left The Dell and moved to St Mary’s?

        Did Cardiff City become a new club when they changed their colours from blue to red?

        Is there a club anywhere in the world more than 100 years old, still playing in front of the same fans as when they were founded?

        We cannot avoid returning to the salient point here – football clubs are legal entities responsible for football teams.

        No matter what imaginative mental contortions Rangers fans come up with to justify their claim that their club was formed in 1872, just concentrate on that one, single point.

        A football club is a legal entity responsible for the running of a football team.

        If “Rangers FC” is a separate entity from The Rangers Football Club Ltd, it can exist only in the ethereal realm of the collective Rangers consciousness.

        Sevco Scotland’s “Rangers FC,” can never qualify for a UEFA license for the following reasons related to Article 12 of the FFP regulations:

        1) It is not a legal entity responsible for the running of a football team
        2) As it is not a legal entity, it is not, and can never be, a member of a national association.
        3) As it is not a legal entity, it does not have, and never can have, a contractual relationship with a member of a national association

        The legal entity responsible for the running of a football team out of Ibrox Stadium is The Rangers Football Club Ltd (formerly Sevco Scotland).

        The member of the Scottish Football Association currently operating out of Ibrox Stadium is The Rangers Football Club Ltd (formerly Sevco Scotland), formed in 2012.

        The member of the Scottish Football Association currently operating out of Ibrox Stadium has, and can have, no contractual relationship with the ethereal “Rangers Football Club” its fans claim to support because lacking legal form, it cannot enter into a contractual relationship.

        In two years’ time, The Rangers Football Club Ltd will meet the criteria for a UEFA Club License. UEFA will not be able to “recognise” it as a club formed in 1872, because the legal entity that is the football club playing out of Ibrox was formed only in 2012.

        I’m sure we can all agree that there are no problems with The Rangers Football Club Ltd positioning itself as the successor club of the 140 year old club that slipped into liquidation in 2012.

        There can be no possible objections to their fans taking whatever pleasure they can from the numerous titles and cups won by the old club.

        What we cannot accept though, is a one year old club claiming titles and trophies won in the Victorian era as their own.

        What must be remembered though is that The Rangers Football Club Ltd is not the real villain of this piece.

        The real villain is the Scottish Football Association, which feeds and nurtures the same club myth with its public silence and private misinformation to anyone who asks if The Rangers Football Club Ltd as the owners of a football club founded in 1872.

        It’s time to end the deception!

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    2. I’ll repost Lisa’s last comment Charlie incase you “don’t see it”. Now kindly jog on.
      Bad news obsessed Charlie Rangers are making it official. I’m sure they would not if the content of the fictional programme was true. Well done the club,we have to take action against any people in official positions who publish fictional nonsense about our 142 year old club,the most successful in Scotland.
      “However, High Court judge Lord Nimmo Smith ruled that Rangers was a “recognisable entity which continued in existence notwithstanding the change in ownership” two years ago.
      Livingston officials are believed to be horrified by the comments that appeared in the official publication which is edited by supporter Andy Crawford.
      However, Rangers still want their rivals, who they defeated 1-0 at the weekend, to apologise over the offence caused to the 54-times Scottish champions.
      A club statement read: “The content written about the football club and our players was outrageous and entirely unacceptable.
      “We will be raising the issue with the SPFL and seeking an apology from Livingston FC, who had a duty to prevent such erroneous material from appearing in their programme.”
      Nae luck Charlie another red herring that excited you so much nosedives. Jog on and show some respect to Scotland’s most successful club The Rangers Football Club.

      http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/rangers/rangers-demand-apology-over-livi-programme-article-183240n.25506990

      ““I hate criticising people who work on the programme because they are unpaid but it has not been wise, we have said something that is not right.”
      However, Rangers intend to make a formal complaint to the SPFL. A club statement said: “The content written about the football club and our players was outrageous and entirely unacceptable.”

      http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/livingston/livingston-chairman-apologies-to-rangers-1-3563787

      Btw Charlie you can now post away until your wee bitter heart is content as i’m moving onto another article,i’m a Rangers fan and unlike your sad self i prefer to spend my free time reading about my club. The fact Livingston have apologised and admitted they printed nonsense will do for me,as will my club taking it to the SPFL which of course they would not do if the content was not innaccurate. Have fun Charlie..and remember,The Rangers Football Club 1872-2014 Scotland’s most successful club.
      See?——–>http://spfl.co.uk/clubs/rangers/

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  11. Bad news obsessed Charlie Rangers are making it official. I’m sure they would not if the content of the fictional programme was true. Well done the club,we have to take action against any people in official positions who publish fictional nonsense about our 142 year old club,the most successful in Scotland.
    “However, High Court judge Lord Nimmo Smith ruled that Rangers was a “recognisable entity which continued in existence notwithstanding the change in ownership” two years ago.
    Livingston officials are believed to be horrified by the comments that appeared in the official publication which is edited by supporter Andy Crawford.
    However, Rangers still want their rivals, who they defeated 1-0 at the weekend, to apologise over the offence caused to the 54-times Scottish champions.
    A club statement read: “The content written about the football club and our players was outrageous and entirely unacceptable.
    “We will be raising the issue with the SPFL and seeking an apology from Livingston FC, who had a duty to prevent such erroneous material from appearing in their programme.”
    Nae luck Charlie another red herring that excited you so much nosedives. Jog on and show some respect to Scotland’s most successful club The Rangers Football Club.
    http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/rangers/rangers-demand-apology-over-livi-programme-article-183240n.25506990
    ““I hate criticising people who work on the programme because they are unpaid but it has not been wise, we have said something that is not right.”
    However, Rangers intend to make a formal complaint to the SPFL. A club statement said: “The content written about the football club and our players was outrageous and entirely unacceptable.”
    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/livingston/livingston-chairman-apologies-to-rangers-1-3563787
    Btw Charlie you can now post away until your wee bitter heart is content as i’m moving onto another article,i’m a Rangers fan and unlike your sad self i prefer to spend my free time reading about my club. The fact Livingston have apologised and admitted they printed nonsense will do for me,as will my club taking it to the SPFL which of course they would not do if the content was not innaccurate. Have fun Charlie..and remember,The Rangers Football Club 1872-2014 Scotland’s most successful club.
    See?——–>http://spfl.co.uk/clubs/rangers/

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  12. No luck Charlie. You lose again. Time to go back and start supporting your own 20 year old newco(s).
    http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/rangers/rangers-demand-apology-over-livi-programme-article-183240n.25506990
    “However, High Court judge Lord Nimmo Smith ruled that Rangers was a “recognisable entity which continued in existence notwithstanding the change in ownership” two years ago.
    Livingston officials are believed to be horrified by the comments that appeared in the official publication which is edited by supporter Andy Crawford.
    However, Rangers still want their rivals, who they defeated 1-0 at the weekend, to apologise over the offence caused to the 54-times Scottish champions.
    A club statement read: “The content written about the football club and our players was outrageous and entirely unacceptable.
    “We will be raising the issue with the SPFL and seeking an apology from Livingston FC, who had a duty to prevent such erroneous material from appearing in their programme.”

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    1. erroneous
      ɪˈrəʊnɪəs,ɛ-/
      adjective
      adjective: erroneous

      wrong; incorrect.
      “employers sometimes make erroneous assumptions”
      synonyms: wrong, incorrect, mistaken, in error, inaccurate, not accurate, inexact, not exact, imprecise, invalid, untrue, false, fallacious, wide of the mark, off target; More
      Translation is for your benefit Charlie,wasn’t sure if you get that word at High School.

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      1. I know what erroneous means…chuckles and his mates, mike ashley have erroneous contracts with new gers…some lasting 20 years, which will see them skimming multi millions because they are crooks or were only in it to rip everyone off

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  13. http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/livingston/livingston-chairman-apologies-to-rangers-1-3563787
    Livingston chief Gordon McDougall “I hate criticising people who work on the programme because they are unpaid but it has not been wise, we have said something that is not right.”
    However, Rangers intend to make a formal complaint to the SPFL. A club statement said: “The content written about the football club and our players was outrageous and entirely unacceptable.”
    You bet it was not right it was utter fiction. Blame whatever bitter person wrote this fiction for your empty ground the next time Scotland’s most successful club come to town.Hopefully the SPFL take appropriate action.
    http://spfl.co.uk/clubs/rangers/

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    1. How can the sum total of a fourth division championship, a third division championship, and a final defeat in the Harry Ramsdens make new gers Scotlands most successful club?
      Are you adding on another teams trophies ie deid gers trophies as well to the list???!!! Thats 2 different teams…you just cant take in that old gers were liquidated!!!!
      Acceptance is the hardest part of grief, and I feel your pain, but surely after 2 years you should be manning up…
      Two can play that game…im gonna add on real madrids trophy haul to Celtics….weve got 11 European cups/champions league trophies to our name now, along with 70 odd league titles…beat that…

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      1. Sounds like Gordon McDougall likes his windows quite a bit, doesnt fancy his name being added to Chris Grahams enemies of rangers list, and doesn’t fancy being on the receiving end of a McCoist ‘who are these people’ rant who subsequently received death threats from the nutters (strangely enough, McCoist actually knew who those people were the whole time).
        Smart move, id say

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    2. Why were new gers only paid a 2 year development fee by Dundee Utd for Charlie Telfer when he was at Ibrox for 10 years….simply because the current gers club are only 2 years old….

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  14. Charlie , The reason that your board can sell off their best players and not replace with players of similar quality is because they know the league will be won as there is no competition, because Rangers are not there. No one bothers about the two cups unless we draw each other or its the final, so thats a bogus argument.So there is a lack of quality and competition (Hamilton accepted) so your fans are staying away.This did not start before Rangers demotion so stop kidding yourself .As for Champions league , that would be due to the opposition , I see there are parts of the Stadium not even being opened for the Thursday night cup.I would imagine that without Champions league money, revenue down and no stars left to sell you may not be in the black this season.I`ve said before guys like you , obsessing on Rangers problems are letting your own board off the hook.

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